I didn't act fast enough!
Seriously. This has been a brutal Winter in many parts of the country and the world. It’s not over either. It’s snowing today in the Midwest!
Rare snows also occurred this year in Madrid, Spain, Houston, TX, New Orleans and Florida to name a few. There were record snows like the storms that dumped over a foot of snow in Portland, Oregon in December. Last year, glaciers actually grew in Alaska and parts of Europe (funny, I didn’t hear about that on CBS, NBC or ABC news. hmmm.) There are even dire predictions of colder temperatures in the next few decades. That’s where you come in.
Are you just gonna sit there and freeze? Or are you going to ACT?! There are some things that you can do, you know. Buy an SUV. Drive fast. Emit more greenhouse gas!
Join us for fun and to share practical ideas that may just help www.StopGlobalWarmingNow.com Who knows, it just might be your comment that saves the world from encroaching glaciation and extended cold and flu seasons 
March 29th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I realize that you may be joking about the SUV thing, but is there an off chance that you are not joking? I’m sure that you are not suggesting that we as Christians should make an axagerated effort to use and consume…?…
March 30th, 2009 at 5:36 am
Yes, I am joking to make a point. The “Global Climate Change” crowd is getting out of hand on what they want to regulate to stop a problem that doesn’t exist!
On the other hand, I have no problem with Christians, or anyone else, consuming. Exaggerated effort to consume? Probably not.
There were a lot of people in the Bible who loved God had great riches. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Solomon, David, and many more. Solomon might have owned dozens of SUVs, and maybe some sports cars, if he were alive today
Nothing wrong with enjoying what God has given you the ability to acquire. I would say that it’s always a good idea to put God first, then drive your SUV fast!
March 30th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Interesting way to look at it. So are we to follow the lives of these men in the OT that cheated on their wife and murdured to cover it up? I look at the life of Jesus and do not see Him riding in chariots, I see him riding a donkey…very humble transportation. I look at what we know of Jesus’ home, and I see that he basically had no home, or at least he was constantly on the move. I do not see the fast driving of the SUV (so to speak) of Jesus. I assume that you take a totally literalistic view of the Bible, and I would like to understand where you are coming from with the sports cars and the waste of natural resources for purposely driving hard to use them up…or rather in this case to create more polution. Is it ok to subject others to your polution…?…
March 30th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Certainly Jesus did a lot of walking, traveling by boat, and He did enter Jerusalem on a donkey to fulfill the scriptures. However, Jesus was not poor. The Centurions drew lots for His clothes because they were nice clothes!
As for where I am coming from, I see no problem in enjoying wealth. If you are generous to God and He has blessed you and you want to drive a sports car quickly, but safely, I have no problem with that. Carbon Dioxide makes up 0.03% percent of the atmosphere and mans contribution is a fraction of that. I would argue strongly that CO2 is not a pollutant! As for other “stuff” in exhaust, we have lots of regulations and technology to keep that under control.
The folks who think we the people are to blame for warming up the planet are going waaay overboard IMHO. Cap and Trade legislation will hurt the economy and drive up energy costs. If California had been drilling oil offshore they wouldn’t be bankrupt right now. The Earth has been cooling since about 2000 and quickly so in the last two years because the Sun is quieter. I submit that the UN and others want control and power and are using the so called “Climate Crisis” to grab it. This is very dangerous. Much more so than driving a sports car or SUV.
So, in conclusion, I say enjoy the fruits of your labor. Love God, Love people, enjoy your life!
March 30th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I will only touch on a few of your points as I don’t a have alot of time. The speculation that Jesus was wealthy is just a speculation…there is no proof of his riches anywhere in my readings. I would not say that he displayed wealth in His life. I think He promoted humility and giving up luxuries. I have absolutly no problem with drilling offshore, or trying to become more self-sufficient with our oil supply. What I believe that takes is alternative fuel sources and fuel efficiency. I think it is pretty shameful that the first production Ford model T got better fuel efficiency than a Ford Excursion. I would also be interested in your belief about SMOG. I lived in Southern California my entire life. My wife lived there for 10 years. When we would visit LA on a bad smog day she would become ill. I’ve heard several studies about smog and how it shortens ones life. While I am typically a sceptic when it comes to statistics, I don’t really see any stats stating that smog is good for you. So again I must ask or assume that you believe that it is OK to subject others to your polution for polutions sake…?… Is forcing others to inhale your excessive exhaust loving?
March 30th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I agree with you about Jesus. He gave up the riches of Heaven and humbled Himself by coming to the Earth to live a life that serves as an example to us. He gave His life so that we might live! For that I will be eternally grateful. Do I believe He was rich? Yes, in all the ways that count! I do believe he had nice clothes, but certainly did not live a life of excess.
I was born in L.A. so I certainly remember smog. I lived there in the 60’s when we were still using leaded gasoline and before catalytic converters. There were less people in the basin, so I don’t know if the smog was better or worse back then. Perhaps the way people drive on the L.A. freeway system contributes to the problem? If everyone avoided rabbit starts and didn’t drive the freeways the way they do would it help the L.A. smog problem? A little? A lot? Remember, CO2 is not a pollutant, although the EPA is likely going to start regulating it.
All of that is off point (except the CO2 part) as it pertains to http://www.StopGlobalCoolingNow.com. The point of the site is to counter the policies and beliefs about global warming that if followed through, will dramatically increase the price of energy, weaken our nation, and take away personal freedoms, all in the name of a problem (global warming) that isn’t actually occurring! While the site has many attempts at humor using hyperbole at times, there are plenty of examples of articles that demonstrate that the planet is indeed cooling off!
Part of the joke is that CO2 is such a small part of the atmosphere that we can’t possibly Stop Global Cooling Now! just like we can’t stop global warming. It’s the Sun.
It’s true. I have no problem with rabbit start driving habits (I’m guilty, but I drive a newer car that doesn’t leave a big exhaust trail) or with families carting their kids around in giant SUVs because they are safe and convenient. What I do have a problem with is the trend I see… governments moving to limit choices “for our own good,” and I wonder if maybe it’s more about them wanting to control people. There is evidence to suggest just that.
The site isn’t going to be for everyone. Not everyone gets my “humor”
March 30th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
LA makes me think of the Bible verse:
Woe to those who join house to house; They add field to field, Till [there is] no place Where they may dwell alone in the midst of the land!
You may need to check my math but I think if the 33,871,648 residents of Cali moved to S. Dakota they could each have more than an acre of land with 16 million acres to spare.
Then everyone in Bend could live in cali
March 30th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I’m sure that you have read my other posts on global warming, so I will not expound too much, but why not a little balance, or why not a preface of “it is my opinion that global warming is a lie” or global warming is the scape-goat for socialized spending that I do not agree with, but to claim that you know for a fact that global warming is a lie can be a detrimental getting people to listen to you opinion (which I believe your site is about). It seems like the more conservative one is the more absolutes they have to be married to so that they can squinch their butt-cheeks togeather tight enough to not accept other opinions as valid, but their own. That is what I fear the moderators of this site can have the tendancy to do, and my belief is that it is easy to look past converting people to Christianity and focus on converting people to your specific political, moral, and social views.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Well Bennett, you nailed it were just a bunch of butt clenches.
Bennett just curious do you always so harshly lash those whom God has deemed just, King David did murder and cheat on his wife but he clearly repented from it and God clearly forgave him, do you actually think that as people who believe in more than just the 4 gospels we think its okay to murder? I think you technique is called a red herring.For someone that is supposedly so open minded you seem to discount a lot from OT writings, the same scriptures which Jesus refered to as being the words of God which we should live by.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
From Your Comment:
“It seems like the more conservative one is the more absolutes they have to be married to so that they can squinch their butt-cheeks togeather tight enough to not accept other opinions as valid, but their own.”
Yikes! Not sure that was called for, but I will address part of your comment. I’m just like most opinionated people. I believe what I believe is right. If I didn’t, I would change my beliefs!
I also understand that my own beliefs have changed over the years. That can only happen through living and listening and learning. I’m not set in my ways. I have carefully considered these issues that I write about and I believe I have come to the correct conclusions! I even cite evidence to back it up. Did you read about the Pacific Decadal Oscillation? or how the Solar Wind has decreased 10% in the last few years?
I like to have fun and I joke around a lot. At the same time I have a passion for the weather and science. I was a TV Weatherman for many years. So, I am trying to combine the two on my site. Hopefully you won’t let your distaste for SUVs keep you from participating in Flatulent Friday’s!
Blessings!
PS - Don’t be too tough on us moderators here. We haven’t censored any of your comments! You are entitled to your opinions and hopefully we can all be respectful even when we might disagree. Respectful dialogue is a good thing.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
I am genuinely sorry if my comment was offensive. It wasn’t meant to be. It was merely the first thing that popped into my head as an analogy (and apparently not a very sensative one). What I continually do not hear or see is moderation in any posts. What I do see is comments like….”-blank- is a lie” or “this is the truth” while I understand that that may be your or somebody elses current opinion, it is not portrayed as that, it is portrayed as gospel, and that is where I see an issue.
As far as the story of David. I believe that it is a beautiful story of the redemptive qualities of Jesus and how we can repeatedly screw up over and over and our God’s grace is sufficient, but I don’t believe that the story is meant to be an example for us to follow. I would think that we would all agree that Jesus’ life is the ultimate example and His example should be the chief example of what is right and pure and justified.
I would love to claim open-mindedness (although I don’t believe that I ever have). I believe that we are all a product of the environment that we are raised and living in. I read and learn what I can or choose to listen to. I try to learn from things that I don’t want to listen to as well. I’ve pulled complete 180’s before on things that I never thought that I would have. I think the openness comes when you are willing to admit that it may not be this way or that, or the way that you believe, or the way that I believe. But typically what I have experienced on this site is a list of reasons why my opinion is wrong. I have made several comments and not once have I seen a “you may be right…but I believe”. I guess when it changes from discussion to argument I should just stop, it seems that If someone makes a comment that is not perfectly in line with the authors then it is discredited immediately by blanketed statements that include the authors derived truths as ultimate, or biblical truths. Again I want to appoligize if my afformentioned comment was offensive, I can see how it could have been see as offensive and I did not intend it to be…just a word picture (and a bad one at that). I look forward to more respectful dialogue and my hope is that you are actually looking for dialogue, not just “Amens”, but some lessons to be learned from all angles.
Although the Methane that I will produce on Fridays could endanger others around me I also will participate in flatuent fridays in the name of unity amoung believers.
And I will take your advise and study up on solar winds and Pacific Decadal Oscillation…maybe it will change my views and give ME some absolutes on global warming as well.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Hey, all I can say is, I live in Puerto Rico. And it is COOOOOLD here. Seriously, you think of warm, sunny beaches and palm trees when you hear “Puerto Rico.” You know what? I have to get under three sheets to keep from freezing to death at night these days. Everyone here is saying that it is the weirdest, coldest weather they have ever seen. They had snow in the Dominican Republic just the other day. Seriously! SNOW IN THE CARIBBEAN! The pastor showed me a photo he took of it with his own camera.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:39 pm
How is it that you guys think that a single cold winter defeats global warming? just bizarre. before this issue was the media darling that it is (and I agree sometimes it is a bit annoying), all of my science teachers and every related document I read (and I did, indeed, read) informed me that part of global “warming” is extremely varied and sometimes extreme weather fluxuation and that such shifts must be measured in decades, not months.
Educate yourselves!
March 31st, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Chrissi, sounds like these guys http://www.petitionproject.org/ really need to educate themselves!
March 31st, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Oh yes, they definitely represent the majority.
And anyway, my argument isn’t that global warming is true, but that the anecdotal evidence of a cold winter is not legitimate and weakens your argument rather than strengthens it.
March 31st, 2009 at 7:08 pm
I love the ” Educate yourselves” comment, way to prove your point by saying “your dumb”. Humble and open minded. From the left we have these comments…”It seems like the more conservative one is the more absolutes they have to be married to so that they can squinch their butt-cheeks togeather tight enough to not accept other opinions as valid, but their own”
and ….”educate yourselves”
hahaha this is fun now “you guys” are uneducated butt cheek squinchers.
March 31st, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Apparently majority is what determines truth, which is rough because we will probably all have to stop believing in Jesus because the majority of people don’t. Good thing these days the majority of people don’t think woman have smaller brains than men, or that blacks are half ape, or the worlds flat, or smokings not bad for you. Or else your life would be super tough Chrissi
March 31st, 2009 at 7:57 pm
A couple of thoughts:
• The majority isn’t always right.
• I was just showing that here is an “educated” group, that doesn’t believe in global warming.
• I love you guys and we should be so thankful that we live in America and can argue about this without fear of being put in prison (see Ahed’s testimony - http://www.loveforthetruth.com/2009/03/30/testimony-of-political-prison-in-syria/)
• Thankfully Jesus is God no matter what the weather is.
• I have been open-minded about global warming and i’ve looked into it, and i don’t believe it. Even if i thought it was possible or let’s say probable i’d be upset about the way it is taught as “gospel truth.” I know the majority teaches it as fact. They also teach billions of years as facts. They also teach that there is no creator. All things that I think the majority of smarty-pants are wrong about.
• I love you guys
March 31st, 2009 at 8:53 pm
It’s been fun following, and participating in the comments on this important topic. After all, the current administration is planning on placing a heavy tax on Carbon emissions that will most certainly drive up energy costs which will likely harm our already weak economy. Is it worth the risk? If global warming is going to cause global catastrophe then perhaps it is. If not, then maybe not so much.
Here’s an interesting article from the Australian: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-5013480,00.html
I have others I could share, like this one: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/06/the-sunspot-mys.html
The Sun has entered a cooler phase. It was hotter during the 80’s and especially 90’s when we had “global warming.” Now the Sun is quieter and we are seeing cooler weather. Sounds pretty basic really. You go to any atmospheric science class and the first thing they will teach you is that it’s the Sun that drives the planet’s weather! Many solar scientists are warning that it’s fixin’ ta get much colder before it gets warmer again.
The global warming computer models did not account for this current cooling. The solar scientists have been talking about this cycle for some time. I was taught in junior high that when a scientific theory doesn’t accurately predict or reflect reality than it’s time to rethink the theory. I’d say right now the solar scientists are doing better than the global warming ones. That’s why many are changing their position on the subject: http://deltafarmpress.com/news/robinson-column-0825/
Have a nice evening. Stay warm! You too there in the Caribbean
March 31st, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Just curious, in quote form what “left views” have I inherited or owned in this post? Since I am being thrown into a people group here I would like at least one quote that would merit that opinion…I would think that is fair…
April 1st, 2009 at 7:54 am
your railing of quote unquote “conservative” butt clenchers led me to assume you must hold views opposed to the right or conservative group (though i would add none of us, said we are conservative in this post so i could ask you the same question, why are we being thrown into a people group)
Anyway, whatever you are Bennett, liberal,moderate,conservative,progressive,balanced,open minded. My point was this. We all argue our own side or view but you and Chrissi, we will call you the anti-Conservatives, seem to then assault the debater rather than the subject of debate. Making slights that amount to your anal retentive and your just ignorant are neither becoming nor beneficial to proving your point.
Sorry if the label offended you, i won’t throw you into that group from now on
April 1st, 2009 at 8:31 am
I never labeled anyone in my comments what I did say was that my opinion was that the more conservative one is, the more that he/she has to cling to absolutes. I added after that that I beleive that the moderators of this site tend to cling to absolutes. If one really reads my posts all I do is ask questions, so that I might understand where someone is coming from. I believe that all of you guys educate yourselves. From the views that are expressed here it just seems to me that the education that is going on is one sided. My montra has always been balance and moderation, and when one makes a claims like “global warming is a lie” rather then “global warming may be a lie” It appears to be either an absolute one sided view, or it is possible that is the only view that has been studied. My frustration always comes when my response is a question and there are no answers. So in the spirit of continuing my opinion. I believe that you guys are corrent that global warming coulb be an absolutely flawed threory…it could absolutly true as well…
would you agree?
If you do not agree, would you agree that making an exagerated effort to polute is wrong?
April 1st, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Nobody?…
April 1st, 2009 at 11:38 pm
i haven’t really been online today. but i’ll respond tomorrow, i promise.
April 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
I will reply simply with this: http://www.stopglobalcoolingnow.com/?p=157
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
So mike, I am assuming by your response that you do not believe that there is any possibility that global warming could be true, and that making an exagerated effort to pollute is is in fact not wrong…yes or no…
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:07 am
I’ll respond by saying this: http://www.stopglobalcoolingnow.com/?p=161
April 3rd, 2009 at 8:01 am
so still no yes or no, just vague references
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:33 am
Before I answer (again) let me ask you… did you go follow the link and read what the Bible has to say? Do you find any scriptures that show we should be concerned about so-called Global Warming?
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:55 am
I have actually followed every link on this blog that has been left, I have even read alot of the information past the actual pages that you have given me. My aim is not at proving or disproving global warming. While I agree that you could read into the book of Revelations that it is or is not speaking of global warming (or climate change) I don’t think it is clear enough to take refuge in it is your total truth as to why Global warming is a lie. I think that none of us really have the resources to know if it is true or false, for one thing we only have about 50 or 60 years of research into it (by this I mean solid research with radar, satelite and good weather equiptment). I don’t think you have given me an answer yet. I thought that it would just be a pretty easy yes or no for you since you have put so much time and effort into researching it and exploring your own feelings about it.
Since it is important enough to you to try and sway peoples beliefs of weather it exists or not I thought it prudent to find out weather or not you believe that it is at least possible that it could be true?
And if you don’t believe that it is in any way possible, I wondered if you believe that making an exagerated effort to consume is wrong?
The “answers” that you have given to me so far have been very vague, I thought that a yes or no would be pretty easy as I do not want to read into what you are trying to say thru Bible verses (that may or may not have to do with global warming) or information that someone wrote on a website. Your answer has not yet been clear to me…
let your yes be yes and your no be no
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Thank you for clicking on my links, you me and bennett. I have answered your questions in previous responses and I will show you by answering again using previous comments seen above.
Your Q: “…to find out weather or not you believe that it (Global Warming) is at least possible that it could be true?”
My previous Answer from the 6th comment to this blog entry: “While the site has many attempts at humor using hyperbole at times, there are plenty of examples of articles that demonstrate that the planet is indeed cooling off!
Part of the joke is that CO2 is such a small part of the atmosphere that we can’t possibly Stop Global Cooling Now! just like we can’t stop global warming. It’s the Sun.”
Translation? I believe that global warming and cooling is part of the natural cycle and is driven mainly by the Sun, not man.
Your next question: “… if you don’t believe that it is in any way possible, I wondered if you believe that making an exagerated effort to consume is wrong?”
My Answer from the 2nd comment: “On the other hand, I have no problem with Christians, or anyone else, consuming. Exaggerated effort to consume? Probably not.” and from the 6th comment: “I have no problem with rabbit start driving habits (I’m guilty, but I drive a newer car that doesn’t leave a big exhaust trail) or with families carting their kids around in giant SUVs because they are safe and convenient.”
Translation? I have no problem with people enjoying what God has blessed them with. Even a private jet, if you can afford it!
I think I summed it up in comment 4 like this: “I say enjoy the fruits of your labor. Love God, Love people, enjoy your life!”
So now I ask you again. Do you have any scriptures that indicate that Global Warming is a problem? I gave you a really good one that it’s cyclical from Genesis 8:22 here: http://www.stopglobalcoolingnow.com/?p=161
If you read the reference from Revelation 16:8-9, it clearly says that God will turn up the heat via the Sun. I don’t know how that is open to interpretation? Although that’s during the tribulation, which we aren’t quite in yet.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:47 am
I am not trying to prove or disprove global warming, I also have no intention of trying to make assumptions of as to what the Bibles intentional meaning is. While I think that it is ok to justify your own actions using interpretation, I do not believe that it is convincing to use your interpretation to try and convince others. As opposed to your beliefs I believe that global warming is possible, I also think that your option is possible. There is alot of knowledge that we haven’t obtained yet, and there is alot of knowledge that we can’t obtain. We have no co2 records pre 1940’s … we never cared, and that was in the time of coal heating, as opposed to the clean methodologies that you have made refference to with your car. There is just not enough information to put this issue to rest. However (and I will try and keep this short)…
To say that there is absolutly no chance that global warming could be remotely true (in my perspective) invalidates your arguement. If you came from the approach “While I believe that it is impossible to know if global warming does or does not exist, I believe that it is nearly impossibe because of A,B,and C”. I believe that your arguement would come from a stronger footing and give the research and the other sources that you have provided and certainly the impressive petition that Josh provided a stronger footing for convincing people.
While I appreciate that you answered my question of weather or not we should make an exagerated effort to consume, and you said that we should not…I think that your original post contradicts this. You tell people to “buy an SUV” (that would certainly cause people to go out of their way) “Drive it fast” (thus causing the US more dependance of foreign oil, and forcing us to have a vested interest in countrys that dislike us) and “emit more greenhouse gases” even if you don’t beleive that it will cause the earth to warm up you must agree that it causes smog. Smog is the combination of greenhouse gases and fog and it is really bad for you. It’s kind of like turning your car on in a closed garage on a larger scale. To me this is wrong and obnoxious behavior. It contradicts the protection of human beings that the rest of this site touts so much. I cannot fathom the thought process of how one is ok and one is not. I’m not sure of what your definition of making an exagerated effort to polute would be, but even if you don’t burn styrofoam in your backyard on the weekends it is my opinion that you demonstrated an exaggerated effort in your post.
As a disclaimer to all of the statements I have mad in the afformentioned post, These are all my opinions, they do not represent a Left or a Right view, they are just what I consider to be my balanced view of the issue.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:26 am
I appreciate where you are coming from. I don’t understand why you keep asking me about the exaggerated consumption thing. I thought I explained the site uses humor. Hyperbole. To make a point, hopefully in a humorous manner. Humor is a subjective thing, so I understand that there are many people who won’t think that Flatulent Friday’s and Rabbit starts are funny
As for scripture, people can read the references and search the scriptures and see for themselves. http://www.stopglobalcoolingnow.com/?p=161
Paul commended the Borean’s for doing just that.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Wait, you are saying that climate change hasn’t been dramatic in the past couple decades because it was a long and hard winter? Even after a better than average snowfall last winter, a certain mountain snowfeild that I come across here in Idaho every summer is still shrinking. Get real man.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
this is probably the most ridiculous thing i have ever read.
i don’t really care about what’s “hip” in the media, like this whole “going green” thing or whatever.
but, honestly, i care very much about this planet. i care very much about the people, plants, and animals which exist in it and i try to do everything in my power to be a shepherd for this wonderful gift we have been given.
i don’t see how buying an suv is what jesus would want you to do. if anything, i am sure he would highly discourage it. i don’t see how jesus would encourage a lot of the staples of our capitalistic/consumerist society in america.
and, so, i will say again: this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever read. the blog post, and the comments.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
First of all…If by consuming resources and driving SUVs you are trying to enhance the green house effect as a means to achieve global warming; you are in fact enhancing a global climate shift rendering areas like Florida, Europe and other such places defenseless against the latitudinal gradients of the world. I’m an Environmental science student focusing on biodiversity and climactic shift. I have studied this issue extensively and unfortunately have to tell you that research shows that by increasing the amount of Green House Gasses (GHG’s) we are effectively warming the average temperature in the Polar Regions. I’m not sure if you have covered this yet but increasing the temperature of the poles leads to melting fresh water into the ocean. The ocean currents are what keep the climate in Europe (Temperate Zone) at a reasonable temperature to live by means of warm water transport. These currents work via density differentials where the warm less dense water rises toward the poles and the cold dense water sinks toward the equator. If to much fresh water is dumped into the ocean, the cold dense salt water becomes less saline and thus much less dense. These density differentials become closer together and eventually equal each other, stopping the current. Europe and areas around Florida are seeing more frequent snows because these currents are slowing down as we continue to spit more GHG’s into the atmosphere, and when they do stop the climactic regions of this world be left to the latitude in which they lie for warmth. Regions to far north will be hot and dry in the summer and very cold and dry in the winter. Therefore, by following your route to warming up this planet you are effectively cooling it down. So my friend before you start talking about a subject you don’t understand, best to do some real research in some science magazines first.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Furthermore, you skeptics out there that global warming doesn’t exist because we don’t have CO2 record’s before the industrialized era are absurd. We have been able to date CO2 levels back to the prehistoric period through mining ice cores and recording the amount of CO2 absorbed into the water. And yes there has been fluctuations in CO2 over the years, however, the exponential increase (mathematical model indicating a rapidly steepening slope) in CO2 levels since industrialization. You don’t need to look at “solar scientists”, I don’t think any scientist in my faculty would call themselves that, for info on climate change. Look in the oceans where ocean acidification is taking place and thousands of species are dying because we pump so much CO2 into the air that the oceans (who are carbon sinks) cannot convert enough CaCO3 (the by product of the reaction between CO2 and water) back into Ca, O2 and sequestered carbon (means that when plants grow the respire O2, are made of Carbon and release Ca into the soil). So again by increasing our CO2 production we are killing off the worlds oceans and causing climate change.
I am not here to interpret scripture, I am here however, as a University rep. for the faculty of Environmental Science that WE are the cause of climate change, OUR capitalist practices are causing environmental degradation, poverty and inequality among the worlds poorest people, and WE must change now if we are going to be able to live sustainably on this planet. Your governments are ahead of those of you who still can’t get off google pages for their research, thank God.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Interesting point about the ice cores. (and let me preface with the fact that I have gained all of my knowledge from my own research which has been limited) I have heard of the ice core samples that are collected, it is facinating that they could do such a thing with just ice. While I agree that the ice could represent a good indicator as to how much co2 was circulating in that time, I’m still on the fence for a couple reasons.
1. The planet has been warming up and thus has been melting the ice from which the cores are taken. In my college science class there were two things you needed to draw a conclusion about a theory. You needed a sample and a control sample. If we were to look at pre-industrial carbon emissions and post industial (which are all melting) we have some difficulty in determining what kind of increase we are looking at.
a. Of coure we are consuming probably more then 1000 times what we consumed 200 years ago, not to mention the worlds population has skyrocketed. We are obviously effecting the environment in a negative way and we need to change that.
2. From my (febel) research it appears that the product of global warming would be another ice age. We have had one of these before, and it was without the use of Suv’s or cutting down the forests. I do realize that it could have been a meteorite, or several volcanos, but the fact is that it is nearly impossible to know.
So to say that we do not have enough evidence to prove or disprove is probable, but the fact remains that we consume too much. We take for granted what we have. And we waste these valuable resorces that we have. As humans we think that we have the right to deliberately screw up our world and it is wrong…morally wrong.
If we follow the people who say consume as much as you can because global warming does not exist, if they are wrong…billions die
If we follow the people who say conserve as much as you can because global warming does exist, if they are wrong…………..there’s no negatives, aside from some inconvenience…..and inconveniences makes us a little less lazy.
Which decision would show how much you care about the sanctity of life?
April 7th, 2009 at 8:44 am
With the ice cores and the need of a control, it is true that you need a control and that control was the current levels on CO2. By using our current levels it was possible to relate the ice core samples against current samples to show the differential. As you moved up toward to uppermost layer of the ice core you are able to see the increasing levels of CO2 over the length of the core. Using the statistical data derived from the experiment we are able to equate the raw numbers into a emission time graph which shows an increasing trend over time with an exponential increase in CO2 levels post industrialization. More than sufficient to make claim that CO2 levels are not only increasing but increasing at a rate never before seen in such a short period of time.
I agree with most of what you are saying but let me just clarify point 2. The Ice age in the prehistoric era was caused by Co2 emissions actually from volcanic activity and tectonic movement. In that period all those millions of years ago there was so much tectonic movement as the earth’s crust cooled that it caused massive volcanic eruptions which emitted massive amounts of CO2 and CH3 (methane, a 20% stronger GHG than CO2) into the atmosphere. The difference between that period and now is that the levels of GHG’s increased over a longer period of time than what we are currently experiencing, and that is a major concern. During the ice age approximately 16gt (giga-tons) of that Methane was stored in the permafrost in the arctic regions. We currently emit around 2.9gt per annum currently. Now that we are warming the globe, that methane will leach back into the atmosphere causing an exponential increase in global warming.
I urge you folks who are reading these posts to be critical of the data presented and understand that websites showing climate change as a hoax do not represent the greater scientific community. While everyone is entitled to his or her opinion it is beneficial for us to increase our knowledge on these concerns from reliable research methods. Again I am not here to interpret scripture or make claim against anyone religious beliefs. If you ask me I think that science and religion do share a common ground and that we have much to learn from both disciplines. On that note, all the religions’ of this world need to learn from each other and not wage war or stand against one another, we are all intrinsically linked to each other through this earth which gives us life. For that reason alone we should make changes that will benefit up to seven generations (of all creatures) down the road.
April 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
JP.
thank you much for your insights! my mind is a fluttering and i have a few questions. i tend to think a lot. i hope its not a bother!
I am curious if ice core samples from the same time period, taken from varying locations across the earth, show the same oxygen, Co2, methane levels and other such readings, or if they vary. Also, i am curious, if we were to take current samples of the air throughout the earth, would those samples vary or be the same?
Another question i have is in regards to the freezing process. it seems that, the process of ice being formed requires a cooling period, and that CO2 would freeze at a certain temperature, leaving me to believe those samples are from locations and periods of temperature when CO2 would freeze. a little google research led me to a temperature of -56 degrees F or so. it seems that ice core samples would tell us at what times the temperature was -56 degrees F more than it would give us an accurate picture of CO2 levels when it was in its gaseous form. I also wonder in which location that Co2 froze. was it in sea water, or was it at 40,000 feet in the atmosphere?
I am also curious about external factors such as the Sun. What do we know of its fluctuation over the last few million years? To me the sun seems to be one of the largest factors in the earths temperature, and was taught in school that it’s quite the volatile orb. Are there any studies of the sun’s fluctuations over the last 100 years or so? this seems to be the period we have the most scientific information about.
Thank you much for offering your well of knowledge! I enjoyed reading your post and look forward to your answers!
blessings
s
April 7th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
You Me and Bennett,
i write from a valley that was formed by a glacier some time ago. At least that is what i was told by my schooling. This leads me to believe that it was very cold here at one time, and that it is warmer now. I have hiked and traveled through the west and through my own experience and study i have learned that the basin of easter oregon was once a large sea bed, as was eastern montana. some have said that all of the central united states were at one time a giant sea. I have read that beneath the antarctic there are fossils of tropical plant life. It seems from all these things that climate change is a cycle the earth faces just as we experience a winter and summer each year.
i fully agree that we should be concerned with the welfare of our common man, and that to see a catastrophic event kill millions if not billions of people would be devastating. i dont know though that this time period is seeing the largest amount of human habitation on this planet… who are we to say that there were not billions of more people before recorded history? from our own historical records in the last century, we see at the hands of man that milions upon millions of humans were killed simply in the name of genocide. add upon that the millions who died in war, we see that man does much damage to its own kind. If we then look at disease and natural disasters. What is the death toll of these things? I would argue that we have recorded statistics, and that the actual numbers are most likely much higher.
Al Gores movie An Inconvenient Truth posed an example that i see no from the cause of global warming referring to. Gore pointed to a theory, that should the ice melt, it would infuse the sea with cold water, which would change the ocean currents, and bring on severe global cooling.
Should we destroy our economy of harvesting natural resources, we will destroy our means to gather natural resources. How then will we heat our homes should a catastrophic ice age occur? How many billions of people will freeze? What if some people don’t mind a little population control? what if we’re being herded into an indefensible place…
I fully agree that we should be good stewards of this earth and our communities. That greed and the pursuit of power has harmed humanity and this earth we inhabit. I also believe that humans are capable of anything, good or bad, and that we should be diligent and discerning in all things. I believe we should be prepared, and that our faith should be in the Creator of this universe, not in the universe itself.
thank you for your concern. i hope we are saved from any such calamity.
God bless
s
April 7th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Very passionate posts here. I have to ask the author, how does proving or disproving global warming indicate love for people? It seems like it has just polarized alot of people and caused alot of angry debate. Would the posts be more in line with your websites name if you were to objectively look at Biblical theory and how we can live it today, or what it means to be a follower of Jesus in such a messed up world? That might be a bit more loving for the Truth. Maybe your goal isn’t to convert people to Christianity, but to convert them to the same political views that you have.
just a thought
April 7th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
correctmyreligion,
Thanx for the question. It’s a good one. After all, Jesus didn’t come to form a political party, but to reveal truth! Pilot asked, “what is truth?” and he was staring right at Him! Of course, Jesus was on a mission to save the world, which He accomplished on the cross! Happy Easter. He is risen!
There is one important reason why I feel compelled to bring up the debate against so-called global warming. This administration is getting ready to implement a policy that will dramatically impact what you pay for gasoline and energy. This will (IMHO) adversely affect the already precarious economy. This had better be a clear and immediate danger! I believe there is a lot of evidence to show that that is not the case.
If Cap and Trade goes through get ready for $4 a gallon gas again and you can probably double your electric bill. Meanwhile, Winters are getting longer as the Sun is getting quieter, and some are predicting much colder weather for the next 30 years or so. I think we should be drilling for our own oil. This would help the economy and keep us from sending so much money to countries that really don’t have our best interests at heart.
I also believe that most of the media is on one side of this issue and that most American’s are not exposed to the opposing arguments. My site uses hyperbole and humor to bring out those points and to hopefully kick start the discussion. Judging from this thread, I’d say I’m on to something, although some of you might just say, I’m on something
My next hope is get this kind of discussion going on the actual StopGlobalCoolingNow.com blog. Won’t you go over there and support or criticize some of my posts??? so we can have some fun over there and I can make 50 cents in advertising!?
One last comment about your Biblical view comment. I have presented a couple of scriptures to support my view that global climate change is not a dire problem. The Bible talks about poverty and war and pestilence, but on the subject of climate Genesis 8:22 says:
“While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
And cold and heat,
And summer and winter,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”
Seasons will keep occurring like the rising and the setting of the Sun.
I’m afraid the President and others are trying to take advantage of a natural period of solar warming to pass more regulation and control over your lives! I could be wrong, but I don’t think so… and I’m not alone.
April 8th, 2009 at 8:05 am
hello…
i’ve been reading alot of posts here… and i’ll admit other articles on this site. I appologize first off if i seem to go off of this article, i’m just trying to post once rather than comment on all seperate articles.
I also want to say that I am a lover and follower of Christ. My love for God is where I come from; i make no appologies for this, but it’s fair for you to know.
There are a few things that have bothered me reading these posts. I am confused by the claims of people to be people that stand up for truth, the problem that i have is that on this post and others like it I see alot of people on both sides refusing to do research with an open mind but simply to look for people that believe them. I looked at the petition website… and seriously… boasting about 9000+people with PHD’s signing it is kind of hilarious. i’d like to ask you all if you know what PH’s these people have (i tried to find it, please show me if im wrong). my SR Pastor has a PHD in leadership, he could have signed it, and that hardly qualifies him as someone that can give an educated opinion on global warming. And even still i’m curious about how many educated Environmental Science PHD’s would agree with the website or disagree with it.
In all honestly i’m not a science person, i sucked at it in school, i’m not claiming to be someone who knows, i’m just asking you to back up your claims more specifically. I’m also not sure it matters. I feel as tho we’ve been called as Christians to be the best stewarts possible of God’s earth, His creation. It’s funny how the same people that claim creationism over evolution don’t seem to want to work really hard at doing our best to protect the earth God created.
I also want to make a comment about spending, the economy and capitalism. I look at this economy situation and the reality is that we still have enough money, and resources in this world. People still live in houses that are much bigger than they need, while others are living in their cars, i dont need to go on, and i know that alot of you are tuning me out because you think i’m a socialist. Here’s the deal… when I look at God and God’s word, what i see is a call to help others, a call to share. And we are in this mess because we can’t share enough. even as children we are taught to share. I think this is what Jesus would want us to do.
haha i’m sure that I am going to make alot of people on here upset. But this is what I read when I look at the scriptures. On one article I read that someone was using King David and King Solomon as examples for God blessing wealth. I invite you to look at Deut. 17:17 where you will see that God instructed the kings not to accumulate wealth. I think David and Solomon suffered because they didn’t listen to God’s instructions, yes blessings came, but I do not think God supported them disobeying Him.
thoughts?
April 8th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Thank you for your questions, I will address shane first…the CO2 found in the ice cores did not set there by freezing. The CO2 in the ice actually was dissolved into the water before it was frozen, much like how the ocean and lakes absorb CO2 currently. So the CO2 as absorbed when the climate was still warm and then froze over, and over time as more carbon was sequestered from the atmosphere, more and more carbon was built up over time.
To address Mr. Shaw, the climactic shifts we are experiencing currently are not being used by your or anyone’s government as a means to control your population. The increase in oil prices projected for the next few years have to do with peak oil, something that is up for debate on when it is going to hit but none the less it will happen. Peak oil happens when we have extracted so much oil that the current reserves are not sufficient enough to supply the public at a profitable cost for the oil company. A basic economist can figure out that if you have such a high dependency on one resource and that resource is extracted to a point where further extraction is far more costly, a price increase is necessary. The movement to “go green” directly counter balances that point. We ARE running out of oil that can be extracted at a rate that is cheap and thus we MUST look else where for our energy.
The problem with our infrastructure is that we are dependant on a resource (oil) that has such a high energy yield per gallon that no other independent source on this planet can sufficiently take its place. Therefore, and integrated approach to supplying people with clean energy is needed. If the governments in this world wish to come out of this recession on the plus side, an investment into green technologies (sustainable bio-fuel production, wind, solar, tidal) is essential. Since we do not have the infrastructure to use these technologies, a massive investment is needed to construct such a society. This investment by governments creates jobs and thus begins to bring the economy out of its blunder. Integrating these technologies still does not allow us to live the excessive lives that we are living, thus becoming more efficient as a society is needed. We do need to reduce the amount we consume, as most of our lives currently are so ridiculously anthropocentric that we are increasing the inequalities of this world. My friend, the health and sustainability of the human race is much more important than saving a few bucks or being able to buy that new SUV, we as a society must look to become a global community where we can support each other and not increase the poverty gap of this planet, which via our current capitalist practices we are doing. I do hope that our economy as it stands today fails so people can realize how much capitalism is not, in ANY moral constructs (even within Christianity’s) good for this planet. For far to long the rich West has held the developing nations of this world in poverty through our trade and unequal policies imposed by our governments and policy makers. Thank the Lord Obama sees this problem and is changing things.
And yes, the bible verse you have presented is absolutely correct. The seasons will keep on changing and all of the natural processes of this world will eventually equal out. However I can tell you this, we won’t be here in the same capacity to see it if we continue to live the way we do. I do appreciate this blog site as dialog between people is essential to the development of society and thank you for opening this up for discussion.
I will leave you with a quote by Gandhi which I believe can be applied to the teachings of Jesus; “Be the change you wish to see in the world”. For me the ultimate teachings of Jesus centered around Love, the love for your fellow man, and all creators that live on this planet. If your were to truly love every person in this world and see them as your equal capitalism would not be in the picture, nor would the environmental degradation we are seeing as a result. Thus Be the change, show this world that as Christians you love the poor, love the earth as it is the physical provider of food and water. I urge you, love is all you need.